2nd Amendment to the Constitution of The United States of America

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

"I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians."
- George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

Tuesday, March 10, 2009

Taurus PT845 .45 ACP

2 Taurus pistols reviewed in a row, wow! I guess Taurus has really impressed me as of late with their wares, good for them! Plus they are giving away a years membership (new or renewal) to the NRA with every new pistol purchase! Well, here is the downer part of this review, I actually traded in my PT1911AL for the PT845. I hope the reasons for this become more apparent as I go forward. Needless to say, there was nothing wrong with the PT1911 I had, it was a great pistol and was an outstanding piece to own. If you are in the market for a 1911 pattern pistol and don't want to (or can't) break the bank on its purchase, the Taurus line of 1911's are an incredible value and well worth the investment by my experience.

Okay, now on to the review.

First the basics. The PT845 is a double or single action short recoil operated, externally hammer fired, semi-automatic pistol chambered in .45 ACP with a 12 round magazine capacity. It is available in either a black Tennifer coated finish or stainless steel. The MSRP of this pistol is $629 per Taurus. I picked mine up at The Powder Room gun store and shooting range in Powell, Ohio for $569 in the stainless steel finish. The 800 series of pistols from Taurus are an evolution from its 24/7 Pro line of pistols and are available in 9mm (PT809), .40 S&W (PT840) and, of course, .45 ACP (PT845). The major difference between the 24/7 line of pistols and the 800 series is the additon of an double action external hammer to fire the rounds instead of the double action striker fired system used in the 24/7. Just like the 24/7 the 800 series gives the shooter a second strike capability to attempt to fire rounds that have failed to fire upon the first primer strike. Taurus claims that this will result in 93% of failed rounds to fire without having to resort to a tap-rack-bang drill. Taurus touts that the pistol "senses" the presence of a bad primer and "resets" to allow a second trigger pull. In a conventional striker fired pistol this would be quite an accomplishment. In a double action exposed hammer pistol, this is quite a marketing accomplishment. I tried and tried but I could not find a sensor or other mechanical means the that pistol "senses" a bad primer. If the round fails to fire the hammer, whether it started in a cocked position or not, simply ends up in the uncocked position from which it can be fired again by pulling the trigger. Still, a good idea to point out to maybe an uneducated public looking at this weapon. I think the incorporation of this feature into their striker fired 24/7 OSS pistols is a much better design to brag about, but you take what pitches get thrown at you.























I have been interested in this pistol after seeing it previewed by the Mad Ogre at www.madogre.com. It seems liked an interesting pistol. The one feature I found most interesting was the decocking lever/safety which not only allowed you to carry the pistol cocked and locked like a 1911, but also allowed you to drop the hammer safely as a decocker. Frustrating little info is actually on the net about this pistol other than one complete review by Dick Metcalf on Shootingtimes.com. Hell, even Taurus themselves don't have it on their web page, but it is in one of their newer 2009 product guides. There is a lot of "buzz" on certain Taurus fan sites and some other firearm related sites I visit about this pistol and with some good reason. Taurus has gone from being considered by many as a second rate firearms manufacturer to one of the industries most visible producers of firearms. They seem to aim themselves more at the value conscious consumer who desires a weapon with optimum features at a reasonable price. A prime example is the PT1911 series that I previously reviewed. Luckily the March 2009 issue of Gun World and May 2009 issue of Combat Handguns both had pretty extensive articles about the PT845 and gave me enough intel to get a good feel for the weapon. I even emailed the Mad Ogre about the pistol and asked if he thought it was a worthy budget alternative to a Sig (a longtime dream pistol of mine). He said the Taurus was good, but he would (and has) gone with Sig. Price shopping in and around Columbus showed this to be a $300 - $500 premium over the Taurus and I dismissed the Sig for financial reasons. Anyway, between my curiosity and getting swept up in all of the buzz I decided that another .45 would be in my future. Again, I really liked my PT1911 but I thought that the PT845 had some key features to offer that the 1911 didn't:
  • Second strike capability to fire on bad primers
  • Double action capability
  • 12+1 capacity
  • A decocking lever
  • A lighter carry weight
I had spied one of these at The Powder Room over in Powell, Ohio a couple of weeks ago. The trouble was how to pay for it? I recently sold my Stoeger Cougar which gave me a good starting fund so I figured what the hell, trade in the PT1911 for the remainder. I am hoping that if the PT845 does not work out that there will still be enough initial buzz on it going to sell it and get my money back. This was the only 845 that I could locate in Columbus, so perhaps the demand is high or availability is still low. Coincidentally, the availability of .45 ACP (and most other handgun rounds) is spotty at best here in Columbus. I am pretty sure that the recent announcement that the Obama administration was going to try and reinstate the Assault Weapons Ban and other legislature aiming to control firearms is making a mass run on weapons and ammo at the present time responsible for this.

Anyway, I went over there and Steve the owner gave me an honest trade on the PT1911 that got me the PT845 in stainless finish and I was in business. I actually wanted to get one in the black Tennifer finish since I love the Tennifer finish on my (and all) Glocks. I don't care what anyone says, the Tennifer finish on a Glock is better than the black Melonite finish on other weapons, such as my Smith & Wesson M&P 40 Compact. That's saying a lot because the Melonite is real sweet in its own right. Anyway, the stainless slide looks nice and it gives that two-tone look that I have found myself being drawn to in a lot of my pistol purchases. I guess looks do count sometimes.

What you get in the box. Taurus of late has upgraded its packing boxes with customized foam and accessories. In addition to the pistol and two mags you receive 2 additional sized backstraps, a magazine loader and a bore brush. The Taurus product guide, Gun World magazine and ammo I threw in the pic just to make it look cool. I really don't think the pistol needed the help.

A quick once over of the pistol shows a good level of exterior fit and finish to the pistol. I took the pistol down quickly at the store and made sure there was no excessive packing grease (there wasn't) and headed to the firing range at the store after I paid for it and put 50 rounds down range quickly to try it out. One word on firing the pistol: Wow! I had read mixed reviews on accuracy from some of my readings but I found it to shoot pretty much dead on at 7 yards and just a bit low and to the left at 10 yards. I was using yellow bursting target stickers on a standard zero target and more times than not was rewarded with a bright yellow ring on the target center when I pulled the trigger. I get the impression that the pistol can shooter better groups than what I am capable of, as the eyesight again hampers me at precision targeting.
My best 7 yard three round grouping with the PT845 using PMC 230 gr. FMJ ammo

Trigger pull for double action seems to be consistent with what I have read at about 10 pounds - much better than my double action .38 snubbie - and single action is around 4 - 5 pounds, abet with a long take up on slack before it stacks. Recoil was about what I expected from a gun weighing in around 29 ounces with .45 ACP, a bit pronounced compared to a 1911, but still very manageable due to the grip angle and ergonomics.

A couple of things struck me as a bit odd when I examined the pistol further. First the hammer is polymer plastic. I no that this is really not an issue as all it has to do is drive that firing pin 1/8 of an inch or so into the primer, but I think it still would of looked nicer if Taurus had used a metal hammer with it. Secondly the trigger is much wider than either of my other 2 main autoloaders and the feel, while not bad at all, somewhat over exaggerated its plastic composition. The safety felt the same way too, being made of the same plastic polymer compound, and almost seemed too light to get the job done. It works though, maybe I just need a couple of hundred more rounds to get acquainted with my new friend. I have only got 50 through it right now and making any major commitment to quality due to these few points would not be fair, nor I say an accurate representation of the weapon. Audie Murphy was rejected by the Marines and Paratroopers due to his size and weight and look what happened to him (If you don't know who Audie Murphy was go wiki it right now - and shame on you!).

A few more alarming points that I discovered were revealed when I disassembled the pistol for cleaning (accomplished the same way as a Glock sans having to pull the trigger to allow the slide to be removed) after firing and discovered a gouge on the underside of the slide about and inch behind the breech face that appeared to be due to some machining error. Further, on the barrel itself the edge of the feed ramp appears to be uneven and is itself almost sharpened to much for my taste. Comparing it against other autoloader barrels it is indeed much more beveled and sharpened that any of them. Another edge on one part of the barrel looks the same. I am going to forward my concerns to Taurus and see what they say about it before I get worried about my investment. It appears the the gouge in the slide would not affect the weapons operation or reliability at all, but I kind of worry about what damaged could be done with this "sharpened" edge of the feed ramp coming into contact with the polymer frame over time during firing. The remainder of the "guts" of the pistol appear to be in fine shape. Excluding the gouge, the slide is of very sturdy design and feel.

The disassembly is accomplished like a Glock, using the "Glock grip" method to retract the slide slightly while pulling down on both sides of the disassembly latch above the trigger guard simultaneously and then sliding the top slide off. Unlike the Glock and other pistols, you do not have to have the sear released by pulling the trigger to do so.

Circled you can make out the apparent machining errors/damage on my new pistol's slide. Again, I don't think these will affect reliability for now, but I am going to have it address with Taurus. They offer a lifetime warranty, I'll use it.

On the exterior, the PT845 provides a very handsome - dare I say sexy - profile. Starting at the top, the PT845 is adorned with combat style Novak 3 dot sights that are drift adjustable for windage. The exposed hammer is polymer, as mentioned above, but is so unobtrusive to the design and blends in with the contours so well that I never noticed it looking at available pictures, handling it in the store or firing it until after I removed the slide from the frame. The frame mounted safety, slide catch, magazine release and disassembly latch are all easily found and are all fully ambidextrous. The slide catch is stiff right now and manually trying to release the slide with a magazine inserted almost takes 2 fingers to accomplish, but this will loosed up over time I am sure. Besides, most training schools teach you that this particular control is a slide CATCH, not a slide RELEASE. You should use to engage the slide and hold it open and use your non-firing hand to manually retract the slide and let it go forward to chamber a round with full spring strength behind it. After firing the stainless finish proved itself to be easy to clean off simply by wiping with a soft cloth. Grip serrations on both the rear and front of the slide provide excellent gripping surfaces to retract the slide. The small red dots used to signify the weapon is off safe are adequate, but I feel could be slightly larger and of a brighter color like on a Beretta style F series safety. No biggie there, just personal preference.

As you can see by this pic (same pistol, 2 views) the PT845 is totally ambidextrious except for the Taurus safety system lock on the right lower portion of the grip.

The grip is fairly nice, it feels good in my meat paws which I consider to be an averaged size "large" pattern. The grip angle along with deep indentations where your thumbs encircle the grip allow the pistol to point easily. The ribbed grip pattern provides good traction, although is seems a bit hard and abrasive to my hands without gloves. Again, probably something I just need to get used to. As with many pistols these days, the backstrap on the grip is interchangeable and the pistol box it comes in contains a total of 3 sizes Large (marked "G" for grande, large in Portuguese), Medium (marked "M" for medio, middle in Portuguese) and Small (marked "P" for pequino, small in Portuguese). The medium grip was installed when purchased and I did not notice any perceivable difference using either of the others that provided a better hold for me. The backstrap is removed for change by punching out a retaining pin near the rear base of the grip that doubles as a bar to clip a lanyard to. A small punch is provided on the same keyring tool that holds the key to the Taurus Safety System lock to aid in the removal process. Upon removal of the backstrap the spring that provides the tension for the hammer is in plain view. Strange I thought but figured no harm as it would be covered by the backstrap anyway. What seemed stranger is that I noticed that the same spring was exposed via the same gap in the frame from withing the magazine well. I was thinking that this may be potentially a area of weakness for a pistol designed to be used in combat (the PT845 was reportedly designed, in part, to take place in the now defunct military's new joint service pistol competition) as dirt and other debris could be directed into this area and cause the spring to bind at some point. Soldiers in harms way in combat zones do not always have time to detail strip their weapons and clean out every nook and cranny. Near the right side bottom of the grip there exists a non-descript hole that houses the lock for the safety system. It is activated by one of the projections on the supplied key ring tool.

The backstrap removed showing the exposed spring that provides tension for the hammer. The small hole near the bottom is where the retaining pin that doubles as a laynard attachment point is driven out of.

The three backstraps (front to rear) "P"-small, "M"-medium and "G"-large. Unlike backstaps for my S&W M&P .40c, these do not affect the width of the grip but rather how much of a "hump" protrudes from the rear of the grip. You can tell a noticable change in heigth of them from the small to the large. As stated before, none of them significantly changed my grip much. Your milage may vary. You can also see the retaining pin to the right.

The combination safety key and backstrap removal tool for the pistol. The safety key for the Taurus safety system is on the right and the removal tool is on top.

On the sides of the slide just forward of the take down latch are two slight oval indentations called memory pads by Taurus. These reliefs are designed to present the shooter with places to put the trigger finger of their firing hand consistently outside the trigger guard for safety. The reasoning being that over time muscle memory in the shooters finger will seek out the indentations without any conscious action from the shooter. Nice touch there. The bottom of the dust cover on the frame you will find the also obligatory tactical rail that seems to be a requirement to introduce a new pistol design into production these days. My Insight M3 tactical light with LED fit on it with no issues at all.

The pistol comes with two steel 12 round magazines. My friend Greg pointed out that the mags are sharply tapered at the neck so that it appears that the top two rounds are almost single stacked while rounds 3 - 12 sit double stacked until they move into the top two positions. Interesting. There is an extended floor plate on each that doubles as a magazine bumper and also an an extended finger rest for the hand. My meat paws fit on the grip just fine without the extensions, but they do work towards keeping with the "look" of the pistol. Despite what I have read otherwise in print and on some internet talk, I had no problems getting all 12 rounds loaded, just push harder people! To ease any issues with loading, Taurus includes a plastic magazine loader with the pistol to help get the last few rounds in if you need help. On the right side there are witness holes at 6 and 12 rounds. I would have prefered to have multiple witness holes on either both sides or the rear so both right and left handed shooters could verify rounds easier, but it is what it is. Remember, when in "the shit" you reload when you can rather than wait until you are out and the bastard from the other team is shooting at you and you're left with your stuff all hanging out while you frantically grab and swap mags. Speaking of swapping mags, dropping them has been a hit and miss propostion. With both full and empty mags I have had issues getting the mags to drop freely consistently. They seem to do fine if dropped from an open slide, but with a closed slide I sometimes have to manually pull the mag out of the well. I am hoping this is something that will work itself out over time.

You get a mag loader with the pistol, nothing fancy but it gets the job done.

Safety

Again with the PT845, and going forward with all pistols, I am going to highlight the major safety systems with the weapon, whether covered above or not, seperately. With the impending gloom and doom surrounding new restrictive legistlation aimed at our 2nd amendment rights I think it is important that we give the radical anti-gunners as little ammo as possible. Last weeks tragic shooting spree in Alabama will once again be played out by the Brady campainers as an example of why firearms should be banned from ownership for the majority of US citizens. Every PREVENTABLE death due to a firearm is a regretable tragedy and I hope that even if no life is saved by highlighting the safety features of this pistol, that at least you would leave this blog with an enhanced awareness of weapons safety.

The PT845 does not have a magazind disconnect safety, it will fire with the magazine removed. Take note and act according to safe handling rules 1 - 4 and theres not an issue there. To let you know for certain when a round is loaded into the chamber the extractor is listed as doubling as a loaded chamber indicator and will protrude slightly from the right side of the frame when loaded. I found this protrusion to be rather unpronounced and personally prefer to manually retract the slide a half inch or so and manually verify that there is brass in the pocket or not.

As stated above in the main article, the PT845 is equiped with a 3 positon safety/de-cocker. It allows the pistol to be carried a la 1911 "cocked and locked" with the hammer back and the safety in the up, or "on" postion, or with a round in the chamber with the safety up and the trigger prevented from firing and slide locked. With the hammer cocked pushing the safety lever all of the way down pass the middle, or "off", position will de-cock the hammer safely. without having to pull the trigger.

Pistol in "cocked and locked"

The PT845 can also be carried safely with one in the chamber, hammer down and on safe.

The Taurus safety system is an internal key lock safety built into the PT845 that, when engaged, locks up the pistols action solid so that the only control that works is the magazine release (see note above about that!). Again, this is a nice option to have if you need to store your pistol in your home with children and you either do not have a safe or cable locks or need to secure it while away from home.

Taurus safety system with the key in the lock, clockwise locks the pistols action and counter-clockwise unlocks it conversly. When engaged the pistol is totally locked up to where the hammer, trigger and slide are inoperable.

The Taurus safety system latch. When active this little "nub" protrudes a few millitmeters about the grip. Right handed firers without gloves may feel it in the palm of their hand when gripping the pistol. This is a little "undocumented" safety feature. Nothing for Southpaws, sorry.

Other than these two safeties the PT845 has a firing pin block safety that is not released until the trigger has completed its rearward travel in the firing process. This avoids discharges due to drops or other impacts as the firing pin cannot actually reach the primer until this safety is deactivated.

Conclusion

Despite what it may seem like from some of my observations and remarks above, I really like this pistol. I tried really hard to like it despite its flaws and for the most part is has won me over. It feels great when I hold it and even better when I shoot it. That is the critical point for me now, I need to shoot it more. If those flaws I pointed out last more than a couple of hundred rounds I may be singing another tune. Sometimes guns are like cars, you never buy a new model until they have worked all of the kinks out. All gun manufactures have this happen - Ruger had to recall all of its first generation selling-like-hotcakes LCP .380 compact auto due to a potentially deadly flaw in the firing mechanism. I have read about some spotty QC with Taurus firearms, but with my previous dealing I have not had any issues. Taurus prides itself with a lifetime warranty, hopefully if needed I will use this service. For now I am looking forward to putting large holes on paper targets over the next few weeks and months to see what the PT845 is truely capable of.


Shoot Often and Shoot Safe.

~Huey


51 comments:

Ali said...

Good job pete that is really very descriptive and informative review of PT845....

Huey148 said...

Ali, many thanks for your kind words, I'll try to keep it up!

Pete (Huey)

Anonymous said...

My friend just purchased the PT 845 and I got the 840, both in the black tennifer finish. Before I chose the PT840 I had narrowed my choices down to 3 pistols. 1. Sig, 2. Glock, and 3. Taurus. The main reason I went with Taurus is because of the ambi safety and mag release. I am a lefty and hated always having to adapt to the pistol. I literally just got it an hour ago so when I take it apart I will look for those flaws you mentioned and see if it's a universal flaw or just yours. Great review!!

Huey148 said...

Hopefully, the defects were limited to my pistol only, as I feel that Taurus has really turned the corner on quality. I took it out shooting yesterday and it is still dead on out at 7 yards and pretty damn good past that to boot. I'm jealous that you got one in black, maybe next time! Actually, I'm looking at a Model 65 .357 now in stainless, maybe the time after next time!

KI4LIV said...

I have a PT845 just like the one reviewed. The only pistols I can compare it to are the PT92/99/100/101 and Beretta 92/96.

The frame strikes me as a polymer version of the PT92/Beretta frame, and the slide like a 4" PT92/Beretta slide that has a closed top, and then of course chambered for .45ACP.

I took it shooting for the first time this weekend, little did I know that when I shot it, it felt just like a PT92/Beretta 92 does right out of the box.

I have put 100 rounds through it so far - LOVE this pistol! I've longed for a Beretta 92 style pistol in 45ACP for a LONG time - this fits the bill nicely!

Huey148 said...

having carried a M9/Beretta 92 for a while I don't have the same feelings between the 2 that you do, they both feel distinctly different to me. The frame is (other than the grip) strongly Glock-like to me (which is a good thing in my book). I am glad you are loving your 845, I am looking forward to getting some more rounds downrange, 300 and counting now (with zero stoppages I might add).

Thanks for stopping by and especially for taking the time to comment.

KI4LIV said...

Huey,

I too carried an M9/92FS as an MP in the USMC reserves and full time LAPD officer. While the grip itself does have a glock-like feel about it, it's got the perfect point/shoot angle to it, unlock a glock. It was the action and trigger that felt very Beretta-like to me. By the way, thanks for posting the link to my video on YouTube :-)

Jon Whipple / KI4LIV

Huey148 said...

That was your vid? Small world isn't it! Thanks for actually remembering to put batteries in your camera, something I failed to do!

I will agree the grip angle on the 845 is better than on my G22, matter of fact JMB got the angle right all those years ago and I wonder why anyone would change it.

Huey148 said...

to KI4LIV:

another question, I posted a summary of my Stoeger Cougar last year, were you with the LAPD back when they used the Beretta version with the 4.5" barrel back in the 90's and if so, what did you think?

KI4LIV said...

Huey,

Yep - that was my video ! KI4LIV is my amateur radio call sign.

We were using the 92FS for our issued side-arm, but had the option of carrying a S&W 4506 if we purchased our own. I was indeed there in the 90s, having just gone solo without a trainer when the "Rodney King" riots broke out (don't get me started on that scumbag LOL!).

Anonymous said...

Huey148 my friend and I took our pistols apart and they had no flaws. I too believe Taurus has really improved the quality of the pistols they produce. My average 5 shot group with the PT840 is right around 1-1.3 depending on the ammo. For shooting for the first time in 6 years I think that proves just how accurate the pistol is.

Huey148 said...

That's great to hear my issues were isolated. I agree, Taurus has really impressed me with the PT845. I am actually thinking about getting my old PT1911 back out of hock at the store where I traded it because I loved it too. And a Taurus 65 .357 might be joining the family as well!

BTW, nice groups!!! I only wish I could see to shoot that well! I have some corneal scaring (possibly from some damage by blowing sand while I was "over there") that makes it hard to see and concentrate sometimes. Although the groups the PT845 provide me are well within what I would consider "effective" for my intended use.

I've even started carrying the 845 as my carry piece occasionally in a OWB pancake holster i bought for my Glock 22.

Thanks for posting!!

Starship_Trooper said...

I got one of taurus' 3rd generation PT145's as an exchange through gallery of guns because my 2nd generation PT145's alloy sub frame cracked just below the right slide rail.

I was rather disappointed with the new PT145 which has many machining errors like your pistol does on the slide. I was also disappointed on how sloppy they got with assembly compared to the returned PT145, there's a considerable size gap at the back of the pistol between the polymer grip frame and alloy subframe also there's quite a few dings where the assembler missed his mark driving pins. If I were the QC inspector the pistol would have never left the plant. It however does function perfectly. I guess Taurus doesn't care anymore about the appearance of their quality just as long as the pistols function...

Im considering the 845 but I'm not sure. Because of my disappointments in Taurus' current QC issues I may trade the PT145 towards a real gun, a sig sauer P220. And scrap the idea of trying anymore of Taurus' joke guns. If they aren't gonna take their QC issues seriously how do they expect us to take them seriously?

Huey148 said...

@Starship Trooper, first off GREAT handle!

after I originally wrote this post I kink of became disenchanted with the 845mostly due to the plastic grip and how it felt in my hand. Traded up to a P220 and am very happy. I am not ready to call Taurus on the QC yet, even though there are plenty of stories out on the net to do so. They are building a new manuafacturing plant in Georgia and are going to start acutally producing parts up here in the US. I am going to wait and see what that bring. Also, I have read many a story from satisfied customers about their products. The PT1911 I had was still one of the best .45's I have ever fired (wish I had never given it up!)

thanks for posting!

Starship_Trooper said...

wow that might be pretty good for taurus to have a plant in the states. Id imagine QC will come up when folks who can actually own guns are the ones assembling them. I cant imagine the incentives are too high in brazil for their assemblers which can't own the products they are making. Ive always said if your heart aint in what you are doing then you arent gonna do it well.

Starship_Trooper said...

forgot to add, thanks for the compliment on my handle. to be honest sometimes I feel like a starship trooper with all the ginormous insects i have to deal with here in Arizona some are actually big enough to be firearm worthy for their demise. lol

also congrats on your sig purchase! IMO its just doesn't get any better than a sig they are perfection not to mention every single one of their firearms are of custom shop quality they leave nothing to be desired and QC is second to none they are by far worth every penny.

when you are talkin 45 acp 7 or 8 rounds in the mag there's nothing to worry about the way I look at it is one discharged 45 is equal to two discharged 9mm's so in comparison to a 9mm, eight 45's is equal to sixteen 9mm rounds (typical hi cap 9mm capacity)think of it as a double tap with a single depression of the trigger.

if you are worried about not having enough individual shots(because you understand the importance of suppressive fire during a gun fight) carry two or three extra magazines.

an old sayin I like is ".45 ACP, because firing more than once is silly and a waste of ammunition". lol

ki-e-ta said...

I just bought a Taurus 845 today. Looks like it will be my new little friend when I am down on my ranch in Cochise County (17 miles down a dirt road outside of Tombstone).
After the murder of my rancher freind, Rob Krenz, last month by a drug running illegal alien, I figured I needed a little more fire-power than the .380 I carry concealed.
ki-e-ta

Huey148 said...

I am very sad about your friends death at the hands of these criminal crossing over into our country. I hope the Taurus serves you well, 12 + 1 rounds of .45 ACP can go a long way in making some bad guys sit down and ponder their evil ways....

shootah800 said...

Hey, Huey --

Great review. I am consistently impressed by every new Taurus I see.

BTW, although the finish may look "plasticy," hit that hammer with a magnet. I promise it'll stick. It IS metal...

-shootah

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the review. I have the PT 845 and like it very much. However after reading your review I looked more carefully at the barrel and noticed what looks like hairline crack at the end on the bottom. Has anyone else seen this? Or could it be a small flaw in the metal? kinda confused here. I want to go shoot more, but have only put 250 or so rounds through it. I can't imagine that the barrel should be cracked. Kinda makes me Leary of shooting again. BTW I have not had any malfunctions of any type; it has fired flawlessly to date.
Thanks, Joe

Ron said...

Mr Ki-e-ta:
I have read all I could, and looked at all the video I could on the net regarding your friends murder, Mr. Krenze. Never has something made me SO spittin' nails mad and sick to my stomach at the same time. May his good soul RIP. I PRAY, that by some strange but wonderful twist of fate, that you are able to take PROPER care of the cockroach that so dishonorably murdered you friend, and a most excellent American & Arizonian, Mr. Krenze. It would be my HONOR to some day help you do a patrol of your ranch. Best wishes, good luck, good hunting, & God Bless. RON COOPER

n said...

Hi to All,

Got my Taurus PT845 duo tone yesterday and fired 100 rounds of FMJ Armscor. The hits are dead center unfortunately, great gun except of the following. I encountered problems with it. The problems are the following:
1. 5-7 Failure to feed. I noticed there would be instances as the slide is going to battery and pushing the cartridge. The tip of the cartridge would "nose down" and hit the tip of the magazine causing the slide to fail to return to battery.
2. On the last round there were instances that the slide will not open after the last round. I thought it was how I handled the weapon but upon closer examination. I noticed that the follower totally did not come into contact with the slide stop to push it up. However on times that it would push the slide stop. I noticed that the slide stop would hit the very edge of the follower. This has caused "indentations" on the plastic follower and am afraid that continued contact in that condition could prematurely wear out the part where the metal slide stop hits the plastic follower.

After the 100 rounds I fired 50 rounds of reloads. The problem 1 no longer appeared but the problem 2 persisted and was followed by another problem.

3. Failure to ignite the primer. I encountered 3 of these in the 50 rounds. Upon examination the firing pin would "lightly" hit the primer causing failure to ignite.

These are the major problems I encountered with my new gun. The minor problems are as follows.

1. While inserting the magazine while pushing forward the base of the magazine I felt that the base of the ammo would come into contact with the "cross member" of the hammer support.
2. There were times pressing the magazine release would be super hard. I had to use extreme force to release the magazine.

3. At the bottom of the slide there is a gouge at the underside of the slide.

4. At the tip of the barrel feed ramp. It is quite sharp.

I have been shooting for many years and have own a variety of firearms. However this new Taurus has disappointed me. I am planning to return the gun to the importer of Taurus since I cannot take advantage of the "life time warranty" Since I am from the Philippines. By the way I had the firearm cleaned and lubed prior to firing.

Has anyone encountered problems like this? If you want to see pictures of the major problems email me at davemlim02@gmail.com.

Any suggestion?

Thanks!

Huey148 said...

@n,

Wow, great comments! Thanks for taking the time to share your experience. If you read further on in my blog I eventually got rid of the Taurus, partially due to the quality issues. I feel that Taurus is on the cusp of being something great. They are supposedly building a plant here in the US in Georgia so maybe that will help fix some of their spotty QC issues. The gouges on your slide were most probably done by somebody grinding down a casting mark during the QC phase of production. The feed ramp on mine was also sharp and I feared it would cause havoc with HP ammo. The magazine release problem probably had more to do with badly machined magazines and the catch cutout in them than anything else.

Still, Taurus is selling a lot of pistols and hopefully with profit comes progress. I can remember the first Hyundai cars reaching US shores in the late 80's and everyone laughing at them, they were cheap and affordable and people bought them. Now they are among some of the highest rated autos in the US according to JD Powers and associate ratings.

Good luck to you in your endeavors from a former member of the 148th Infantry, 37th Infantry Div, "The Liberators of Manilla"...

n said...

n

Hi Again to all,

Just want to update you on my PT845 duo tone. I was able to return the firearm to the store and did a side by side comparison with another PT845. It seems the way that the follower hits the slide stop is prevalent on the other PT845. As for the failure to open slide on the last round it was isolated to a faulty magazine which the store replaced on the spot. The nose down jam is still a mystery but I have a feeling one of the causes could be a stiff magazine spring. I was able to talk to the store's in house gun smith and he assured me that the firearm is not defective.

Furthermore, I was able to shoot 100 rounds the other day with multiple FTF and FTE due to the slide not fully cycling. Tried 12 rounds rapid fire with a high gun powder charge(4.2) with no issues. I have a feeling the gun prefers ammo with a high powder charge due to its double recoil spring. I encountered 9 rounds of failure to ignite out of the 9 rounds 2 failed to ignite on the second strike. I think this could be attributed to a faulty batch of primers. But I notice there were light firing pin strikes on the primer.

The importer of Taurus in the Philippines was able to contact me yesterday and was willing to address my issues. Which was nice to know for us consumers. Told them I will be giving the gun another session with FMJ ammo to remove the factor of faulty ammo and document any issues that may arise and advise them. Unfortunately here in the Philippines the Taurus comes with a 1 year warranty but parts are available. I think this is due to cost in part of the importer should they have to return the firearm to the manufacturer.

So will see what will happen till then.

Anyways if budget persist I think of adding or switching to a 1911 commander from Armscor(MS PS model.

Anonymous said...

I purchased a Taurus pt 845. The very first time I went out to shoot it, the gun did not fire. Talk about disappointed. So I did what anyone would have done, I contacted Taurus customer support. After five attempts each resulting in a 25-30 minute hold time, i was finally able to reach some one who I thought would be able to help me. Boy was I wrong. Not only was the person on the phone very rude, but they told me i had owned the gun for two years when it had only been a few months. The service rep. said there was nothing they could do for me and i would just have to pay to have it shipped and fixed. ????? so much for lifetime warranty. I guess i am trying to say that the gun seemed nice in the store and in all the articles, but when I got it, it was little more than a fancy paper weight. I plan to take the gun to a local gunsmith, get it fixed, sell it and never purchase another Taurus fire arm as long as I live, and i urge every one who reads this to do the same. Sure, not all Taurus firearms are pieces of junk, but when it comes time to deal with a broken firearm, you'll regret buying a Taurus.

Huey said...

Sorry to hear of your woes...my opinion of the Taurus brand goes hot and cold depending on the model..the 1911's are a decent lot and I have owned 2, the 845 was OK but I traded it because the feel just didn't settle in with me and I hear absolute horror stories about the 709's. I am hoping that once they build their North American plant (supposedly in Georgia) I hope their quality and customer satisfaction go way up...

Bill said...

First Taurus, My wife bought me the 845 as a fairly priced range shooter. I have to say as a Glock 21 lover the "curvature" of this pistol fits very well in my overly large hands. I was an instant fan of the very easy to use decocker, and uncertain about the plastic feel of the grip, trigger, and hammer. After three range trips of 200-250 rounds each and no problems I was slightly impressed and wondering when it was going to fall apart just as its made out in a lot of reviews. I now carry it instead of my Glock whenever I'm hiking/camping (I'm overly protective of my 21) and have continued to take it to the range once a month with at least 250 rounds and never one problem. Disassembly is very close to a Glock which is great. The only problem I had was finding a Leather holster that fit just right, but this was not long after the model came out so to be expected. Overall it’s been a good gun with no issues. My wife now carries the 24/7 9mm model as her hiking/camping pistol and ranges it once a month as well and never has had a problem. I can definitely say that Taurus is starting to win me over and I’m wondering if all the negaters are not as gentle or a little more care free with caring for what they already think is a subgrade firearm. As a younger gun enthusiast I spent four years with three young kids, on public assistance, working full time while attending college I inherently took very good care of the few firearms I owned at the time, I knew there was no way I could spare an extra penny for repairs. It’s still a practice I’m religious about. Just something to consider when ripping on a gun, it will only perform as well as you care for it.

TubShooter54 said...

Based partly on your review and my own personal inspection of the dual tone 845, I bought one. I looked for any imperfections on mine before finalizing the sale--none were evident. I own several name brand pistols, but if you check what has walked out the door with me it'll be my 845. If I were to design the handgun of my dreams this would be the gun. Now if a custom shop could and the fed would approve, I'd polish the logo off and have another name engraved on it-- something like Merwin Hulbert & Co. Something a bit more American sounding.

brock1282 said...

Brock
Dallas TX

Just bought one.............LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Bought a PT 845 SS and it had major FTF and ejection problems. It too had some gouges in the slide. Taurus Miami took it back then made me wait 6 weeks with alot of phone tag runaround before finally doing the right thing and replacing it with another. The new one shoots ok (good sights and handling but lousy trigger) but my faith in Taurus is non existant. It seems they are more concerned with cranking out tons of new models instead of improving a few core ones. The lifetime warranty seems to mean you wait a lifetime to get your gun back. The other kicker is a few months after buying mine I saw it for 80 dollars less than I paid brand new from the same retailer. The resale value on Tauruses is horrible. My 845 is relegated to range duty or just sitting in the safe, for carry situations and my nightstand its Glock or Springfield XD all the way.

deanopt said...

I purchased a PT845 in May of this year. It's now September and I've had the gun for maybe a total of four or five wekks. It has been back to Taurus four times now and this time will go to the review panel. Problems are similar to sevearl other reviews...FTF, FTE and the worst of all is the magazine release. It may be because it is an ambidextrous magazine release but there are times especially when it is pushed from the trigger finger side first and then you attempt release from the thumb side that it is next to impossible to even release the magazine. The FTFs and FTEs after several hundred rounds along with the magazine release issues make this a completely unreliable firearm for home defense or carry. I have a Taurus PT92 and PT100 and both of them fire flawlessly with any kind of ammo...never an FTE or FTF or any kind of issue. The PT 845 is a great feeling and looking piece but I could never stake my life on it as there are obvious design flaws and manufacturing and tolerence issues that Taurus really needs to address.

Anonymous said...

I bought the Taurus 840 and with 300 rounds through the gun I have had multiple FTF using 3 different types of ammo and both mags that came with the gun. Perhaps the most alarming is that the slide has locked up twice in the open position. The slide release would not move and could not sling shot the slide. With a fair amount of force I was able to push the slide forward and after a few minutes was able to free the slide. NO way in the world would I trust this gun with my life or the lives of my family. There are much more dependable guns out there for about the same money. I now own a Bersa Thunder Pro .40 HC that I would trust to protect the lives of my family.

Anonymous said...

I bought my first gun almost 3 years ago and its Taurus PT1911 Black. Uses just reloaded ammo and after 1000 rounds I uses hot load ++p reloaded ammo.

I customized it like Chrome Slide (like the duo tone model), Wolff variable recoil spring, Chrome parts (guide rod, trigger, hammer, mag release, slide release, beaver tail, extractor, firing pin back plate, barrel bushing and recoil spring guide) and a fiber optic front site... and a punisher grips.

I'm over 6,000 rounds of ++p hot load reloaded ammo and I am Frustrated with it!!! Coz the gun WON'T BREAK! They said the extractor will be the first to break after 5,000 rounds but did'nt. Anyway I will not wait for it to happen thats why I carry a Glock 17 for personnal defense. I uses PT1911 for competition.

One issue that I am happy to share with is that the barrel bushing started to wear off. Talking about wear and tear. That will be the first major part to get replaced with a custom one.

There are lot's of nice, best, expensive models to chose from but Taurus PT1911 is at par with the best 1911s single stack only.

6,000+ rounds of ++p hot load reloaded ammo WITHOUT FTEs, FTFeed, FTFire issues...

Have fun.

Codyshann

Anonymous said...

I JUSST GOT MY PT845 all black and man do I love it went to the range and shoot 300 rounds and didn't have one problem at all this page gave me lots of thing to do and how to clean it thanks bro

Trevor said...

Based on these comments, along with the drastic price drops, I'm going to trade this sucker in asap. I had a few FTL which happen, but after a few FTF I decided to be done with it.

I will literally take whatever hit and walk away from Taurus.

LT said...

I've had my PT 845 for three years and I still don't have any problems with it. Can't vouch for the customer service issues that are being made, but the quality and durability is top notch in my book.

chris del campo said...

First let me say that b4 i buy a gun i always see what u give in a review, im a big fan. now the question. its not that i dnt like the hammer that the pt845 has i just feel that it should be made of steel or some other material, is there an after market hammer for the pt845 and if so where can i find it? Thank you

Huey said...

thanks Chris...but man, that gun has been out of my possession so long I wouldn't know where to start with that question..some people claim that the hammer is metal, I don't recall it being so..if it was I think it had to be a very lightweight aluminum...best best is to google fu the part and see what comes up..

Anonymous said...

I have owned a PT111 Pro (9MM)for 4 years with none of the problems listed here. To be fair, it has FTE twice but my little niece was shooting it (never shot a pistol before) and I am sure she limp-wristed it. When I instructed her to hold it firmer, there were no more FTE's. I have owned a PT840 for 3 years and it also has NONE of the problems listed here. To someone that has one with a plastic hammer...Try a magnet on it and report back. My 840 looks plastic but upon touching a magnet to it it grabs with a metallic click and upon closer inspection, it is blued steel. It is just very smooth looking, it looks just like plastic.
Both of my Taurus guns' magazines drop free when pressing the release (the 840 from either side but the 111 is not ambi) loaded or empty with no problems at all (4 per gun, 8 total).
One thing more, I purchased both of them used so the previous owners may have worked the bugs out of them.
Jerry

Anonymous said...

im getein my pt845 in one mounth,and i have bin reading and watching intervews for this gun for the past 2 weeks and I find this the best one so far,very descriptive,nice job. and thanks

Anonymous said...

To start off I bought a 2.5 in judge new this year. After firing maybe 150 rds I noticed that the barrel was rotated 6-10 degrees off center and that my sight was loose. So I called Taurus and they had fed ex pick it up the next day. They returned the gun with a new barrel within three weeks.

During this revolverless period I saw a used pt 845 att the local gunshop. It looked so sexy. So I ran home and driving like a madman returned with my money and purchased it. I didn't get to shoot it for a week. My buddy had bought a sig saucer 1911 for $1100, while I paid 400 for my used pt845. So we went and to shoot our guns one day and mne FTE every time I shot it. I tried two brands of ammo and still it would not eject. So I took the extractor out and cleaned it.still failed to eject cartridges which would cause it to jam. I believe the extractor was
Milled wrong bc it would pull the shell halfway out and then slide off.

So I sent this gun back to Taurus. They've had it a week and I checked their website which says the gun is repaired but not shipped, so I will update when I get itback. For the price my pt845 has many more options than my friends sig sauer. His gun has 7 rd clip while mine has 12. His has no cAse either. The main difference was his gun worked. When I get it back we'll see.
In conclusion , ive owned two Taurus guns and both have had QC or manufacturing problems. I really want to like my pt845, hope they fix it right. I do love my judge though, but not sure if I want another taurus product. Time will tell

Anonymous said...

My PT845 has more than 1500 rounds down range without any problem. It has fired every ammo brand I've loaded, economy FMJ to Hornady JHP - all 230 gr.
The first time at the range I had to adjust the front sight to fit me, but no other issues. Reliable, accurate, comfortable to shoot and low purchase price. The PT845 performs well compared to my Beretta / Glock / Kahr handguns and is part of my shooting range mix.

It is maddening if you get stuck with a problem firearm, regardless of brand. As I cruise the web there seem to be internet complaints about evey manufacturer. How Taurus compares to makers of similarly priced firearms, I don't have the facts. Just my experience with this PT845. It is all good!

Anonymous said...

I posted on jan 10
Anyhow I got my 845back and have shot 200 rds through it and it ejected fine. Had acouple of instances of the trigger not wanting to pull and feeling really hard.
The gun didnt eject before because the extractor was broken. Taurus replaced the whole slide and the barrel for free. I got it back within 2 weeks. They said the barrel was expanded and considering I bought ut used no telling what the previous owner did with it. Maybe they shot really powerful reloads? I got on the taurus website and ran the serial number and it said the gun was made in 2011 so it wasnt very old.
I still love this gun and with all of the gun control crap these days im keeping it. I would like to carry it more often but it just doesnt fit in my pocket like my ultralite judge does. I also bought 4 new mags for it from taurus@35 $ a piece. It has a 12rd mag and wuth these gun control idiots pushing for legislation I wanted to be stocked.
Thanks

Anonymous said...

My PT845 was made in 2009; and not only weren't there any "gouges" or tool marks, there wasn't so much as a scratch anywhere on it, inside or out.

Both of my mags shoot out into my hand, empty or full, even if I'm holding it somewhat sideways and not entirely vertical.

The feed ramp is polished, smooth, level, and works flawlessly.

The hammer is steel and always has been. I'm not sure how anyone could even mistake it for polymer or plastic; and you don't even need a magnet to discern that. One touch when cocking back the hammer and you know it's metal. First of all, it's cool to the touch like the slide and other steel components, unlike the polymer grip and lower half of the gun. Second, I doubt a plastic hammer could even generate enough velocity, momentum, and energy to strike the firing pin hard enough to fire a round.

The PT845 is my 3rd Taurus. I had a PT92C back in the day when they still made the compact version; and I still have a 617 and the 845. I've never had a malfunction or failure of any kind with any of them. Maybe I've just been lucky.

The 845 has actually turned out to be one of my favorite guns ever, and I've been buying them for around 25 years now.

Huey said...

Yeah, I realized after I posted the original article that the hammer was indeed metal, I recall mine being what must of been almost pot metal in order for me to have thought that...otherwise glad you are happy with yours, but the quality differences in our purchases shows me that maybe QC at Taurus isn't what maybe some of the buying public is used to, yes, mine probably would of functioned fine over the long haul but once you get used to almost flawless pieces from other manufacturers I guess you get spoiled...but with Taurus still poised to buy The Freedom Group a lot can change in the future.

Anonymous said...

i just got mine 3 days ago and did 200 rounds in 20 mins shoots just great. i dont know why people always bash Taurus but they are great weapons for the price. i picked my pt845 up for 399.00 and cant complain one bit great shooting weapon

Anonymous said...

Just bought a PT845 in tennifer finish, disassembled and cleaned it as the bore had residue from test firing in it, but overall the pistol was clean and none of the previously mentioned flaws were present. The magazine springs on mine are a bit stout, requiring the use of the provided mag loader. I will be getting a better loader, the polymer one is OK but I like the idea of steel much better.

I have yet to go shoot at the local range, but I've had dozens of pistols in 30 years and this one is on par with some of the best. Of course it has the usual lawyer induced trigger pull weight on both single and double action, but I can live with that in a weapon of last resort. I did not expect match accuracy and a target light trigger on a combat gun, and frankly I would not trust my life with one like that. When you modify the trigger, regardless of the weapon, you are shortening the useful life of the mating surfaces - especially if you are getting a 3 pound pull on a pistol trigger.

I think it is intended to be used as a defense handgun, and as such it should be just fine, considering the price. It seems ruggedly designed and built, and it actually felt better to my hand than Glock or S&W - and I am a die hard S&W guy.

coralsnake said...

Good day to all and to the owner of the site. first I would like to express that this site was the primordial and last factor I have considered to purchase the PT 845, you gave me the needed factor to invest in this baby so you can only imagine the respect and adoration forwarded to you and to what you do but I needed to say this so there will be no qualms for others to purcchase and in so doing give credit to the pistol where it due and demandable.

your comment: "A couple of things struck me as a bit odd when I examined the pistol further. First the hammer is polymer plastic. I no that this is really not an issue as all it has to do is drive that firing pin 1/8 of an inch or so into the primer, but I think it still would of looked nicer if Taurus had used a metal hammer with it. Secondly the trigger is much wider than either of my other 2 main autoloaders and the feel, while not bad at all, somewhat over exaggerated its plastic composition. The safety felt the same way too, being made of the same plastic polymer compound, and almost seemed too light to get the job done."

the fact: it is not made out of polymer, not the hammer nor the slide catch and the safety/decocker lever, to prove this point..... ATTACH A MAGNET TO IT. I do not know what metal it but it is metal, well though of and well put.... this unit is simply out of the ball park, oh, by the way i own an HK USP and the FNP .45. guess what i carry to work? yeah!!!! the PT 845, reliability, functionality, concealability, ergonomics etc. etc. this thing beats them all, other than the name and the history, king kong does not have anything on the PT 845... oh yeah... I am a .45 man, i have a few 9mm (agency issued)one of which I never even fired (not even in the range). I'm not saying .45 is better than 9mm (short of saying it...he he he) my logic? I never went wrong with a .45...ergo...do not fix what is not broken.....
hkwielder
.45 hk uspm
.45 fnp 45
.45 kimber operator
.45 ithaca 1911
9mm glock 17 1st generation
9mm glock 26 3rd generation
9mm bersa
9mm sig 226
9mm M9 beretta
9mm hk mp5k
9mm hk mp5
and several .223/5.56 rifles, an ak 47, an an M14 TRG and a partridge in a pear tree. :)

coralsnake said...

sorry needed to check this:

"A couple of things struck me as a bit odd when I examined the pistol further. First the hammer is polymer plastic. I no that this is really not an issue as all it has to do is drive that firing pin 1/8 of an inch or so into the primer, but I think it still would of looked nicer if Taurus had used a metal hammer with it. Secondly the trigger is much wider than either of my other 2 main autoloaders and the feel, while not bad at all, somewhat over exaggerated its plastic composition. The safety felt the same way too, being made of the same plastic polymer compound, and almost seemed too light to get the job done."

no offense meant on the auther, great review, this review was the primary basis for my purchase of the PT 845. I own the hk usp in 45, the fnp 45, the glock 21. I am a .45 man, but not to say the 9mm is less a caliber (short of saying it anyway... :), I have the glock 17 1st generation, glock 26 3rd generation, sig 226, guess what I carry? the pt845 of course, full ambi features, 12+1 .45 capacity, ergo on a highcap .45 you have never felt before (feels like a p99 .40 cal on its bulkiest back strap), slimmest high cap .45 I know, double spring recoil system, captured recoil spring at that, glock take down system, two tone, stainless slide (I mean, does anyone has a problem with finish? Hello) etc. etc. etc. BUY it.... you wont regret the day....

Kristoffer Miller said...

I purchased the PT845 almost a week ago. I have never owned a pistol b4 this one I have shot my best friends regent 1911 and I didnt like the feel of it in my hand, so when we went to reeves and I was looking to buy a pistol I tried several and this one just seemed to fit the best. After Paying anbout $469 for it I got it home broke it down(which is super easy and fast) and cleaned it and lubed it. I have found none of the problems that have been posted here. I have yet to fire it but I dont see it being a problem. The hammer slide, slide release and safty is metal. The mag release while stiff is not unmanageable this pistol is great quality. Huey where at in georgia is the new plant going to be and when will it be here.

D.J. from Florida said...

I am a S&W Guy, Owned 6 Taurus guns and now down to 3. M&P Series I love, but wanted a hammer fired gun for a .45acp and picked up the Taurus.

The good --- The gun is by far the most accurate hand gun I own. The M&P's are close, but at 7 yards I can shoot poker chips with the PT-845! Love it. She also has manageable recoil, I used to call it a pussy cat as it's so soft for a .45acp.

The bad - The gun jams after it gets dirty. A box of Winchester cheep-o white box is enough to get it to start choking. Perfectly clean it's beautiful, but a little grime and mine chokes.

The ugly - Mine shipped with the wrong trigger pin in it. Doing a chamber check disconnected the trigger from the action! Took me for ever to figure out what was causing it, and Taurus of course took the gun back and fixed it.

It's 1 of 2 Taurus weapons I own I will never sell. Feels good, and now that Taurus fixed their boo boo it's one of my favorites.